I really enjoyed this conversation with Chris Christou on the brilliant The End of Tourism podcast. We ranged wide and far over pilgrimage, awe, hospitality, pain, curiosity, colonialism, the extraction of knowledge, and searching for the Great Secret, drawing on Walking the Woods and the Water, my essay ‘Bulls and Scars’ and my involvement with the Dark Mountain Project.
You can listen to the conversation here, or wherever you get your podcasts.